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Re: Exhaust question

Postby GFsEscape - July 29th, 2010, 8:17 pm

jpark wrote:
GFsEscape wrote:Anyone using the word "backpressure" to explain how an exhaust works doesn't really know what they are talking about. :wall:
Stop presenting what you think you know as fact. :cuss:
If it persists I'll be calling out your posts individually.

I don't recall reviewing your application for moderating E-C. Maybe I misplaced it.

:shrug:

BTW, "exhaust back pressure" is a perfectly legitimate phrase.


It is a perfectly legitimate phrase when referring to a plugged cat. Not being a necessity to improving or maintaining torque.
The use of the word backpressure is a blanket term that typically reflects its user's lack of understanding regarding exhaust gas velocity and volume in relation to pipe diameter and how it affects the scavenging effect created by an exhaust-valve generated pulse throughout the exhaust system. :bang:
The issue usually at hand is grossly mismatched tuning between intake and exhaust. I'll use an example from this thread: If you cut the exhaust off an F-150 4.3L V6 truck motor you now have an exhaust tuned toward high RPM performance that is fighting every other component in the engine, which were all made for low RPM performance (from the intake tubing, to throttle body, to intake manifold plenum and runners, to ports, to valves, to combustion chamber, to camshaft profile). The effect is you don't get much high-end or low-end power. This is NOT because you don't have enough exhaust back pressure.
THE SOLUTION may be to start changing low-RPM parts into high-RPM parts so that they can compliment each other and "catch up" to the exhaust. OR decide this-defies-the-use-you-want-for-this-vehicle/it will cost too much $ and effort.
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Re: Exhaust question

Postby GFsEscape - July 29th, 2010, 8:29 pm

christophera wrote:I'm guessing the original poster was looking to do something like this. I'll leave you to make your own judgement on it....personally I think it detracts from the car on a number of levels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQXdhz0WsKw&hd=1

That is a great easy mod and a great video. Nice find on youtube! :thumb: I think it will work great for some people. Hopefully he will open up the intake and utilize the the power in the upper RPM's.
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Re: Exhaust question

Postby oskerb - July 29th, 2010, 9:34 pm

What else would it be called? Across the board (industry) that is the term used to explain impedance/resistance of exhaust gases.

GFsEscape wrote:
jpark wrote:
GFsEscape wrote:Anyone using the word "backpressure" to explain how an exhaust works doesn't really know what they are talking about. :wall:
Stop presenting what you think you know as fact. :cuss:
If it persists I'll be calling out your posts individually.

I don't recall reviewing your application for moderating E-C. Maybe I misplaced it.

:shrug:

BTW, "exhaust back pressure" is a perfectly legitimate phrase.


It is a perfectly legitimate phrase when referring to a plugged cat. Not being a necessity to improving or maintaining torque.
The use of the word backpressure is a blanket term that typically reflects its user's lack of understanding regarding exhaust gas velocity and volume in relation to pipe diameter and how it affects the scavenging effect created by an exhaust-valve generated pulse throughout the exhaust system. :bang:
The issue usually at hand is grossly mismatched tuning between intake and exhaust. I'll use an example from this thread: If you cut the exhaust off an F-150 4.3L V6 truck motor you now have an exhaust tuned toward high RPM performance that is fighting every other component in the engine, which were all made for low RPM performance (from the intake tubing, to throttle body, to intake manifold plenum and runners, to ports, to valves, to combustion chamber, to camshaft profile). The effect is you don't get much high-end or low-end power. This is NOT because you don't have enough exhaust back pressure.
THE SOLUTION may be to start changing low-RPM parts into high-RPM parts so that they can compliment each other and "catch up" to the exhaust. OR decide this-defies-the-use-you-want-for-this-vehicle/it will cost too much $ and effort.
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Re: Exhaust question

Postby SUVord - July 30th, 2010, 6:38 am

In the engineering design of the exhaust system all engine parameters are calculated in.
GF's comments sould be carefully considered.
For those intending to apply some changes to the existing exhaust system should have a thorough understanding of thermodynamics and fluid mechanics.
As it stands, the exhaust system is an integral part of the whole engine operation.Intake-burning-cooling-vapours release.In keeping a balance you cannot alter one system without changes to the other...
...in layman's terms.You free-up the exhaust system if you plan to constantly drive at 4000revs and above.
As for the 90 degrees angle of the pipe intended... please reconsider the project.Just the angle itself nulifies everything. Whatever the alteration in the exhaust pipes, the bends have to stay as open as possible.
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Re: Exhaust question

Postby oskerb - July 30th, 2010, 8:39 am

I'm not saying he Is wrong, but that word back pressure, if not correct, what supersedes it. All JP Is Maybe trying to say is to be a little more tactful when posting
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Re: Exhaust question

Postby Dasha - July 30th, 2010, 9:27 am

oskerb wrote:I'm not saying he Is wrong, but that word back pressure, if not correct, what supersedes it.


That is very tactful comment, thanks! :)

oskerb wrote:All JP Is Maybe trying to say is to be a little more tactful when posting


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Re: Exhaust question

Postby jpark - July 30th, 2010, 9:47 am

Thanks, y'all.

"Stop presenting what you think you know as fact. If it persists I'll be calling out your posts individually."

wasn't exactly the same as saying

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