Escape to Natural Gas?

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Escape to Natural Gas?

Postby Domain - February 26th, 2011, 4:19 pm

A little green discussion for the afternoon.

I hear these companies that can convert vehicles to Compressed Natural Gas (CNG). Is it possible with an Escape? Has anyone tried it? What's the cost? What are the pitfalls?

It's not feasible for me as the only filling station nearby is closed to the State of New York's fleet (I guess going green is only for the government) but it is something I've wondered about.
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Re: Escape to Natural Gas?

Postby jpark - February 26th, 2011, 5:09 pm

I've wondered about this myself, but I've never really done any research on it.

As you know, Domain, some of our NFTA busses run on CNG. I always wondered if the engine was a converted diesel or gasoline engine (my guess is that it's a converted diesel, since the fuel delivery system is already designed for high-pressure fuel injection). They sound like diesels, at least when I've been close enough to hear one.

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Re: Escape to Natural Gas?

Postby Domain - February 26th, 2011, 5:15 pm

Actually, I didn't know that. Cool.

Now, if only we had a Metro Rail that extended into the southtowns and further north...
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Re: Escape to Natural Gas?

Postby SUVord - February 27th, 2011, 11:31 am

Yes, in many countries a lot of buses in the major cities run on natural gas.Here, in Athens we have hundreds of them.
Many European car makers even have some of their models offered running in natural gas too.
As for the engines, they can be either diesel based or gasoline based.The fuel system pressure is not an issue.
There are gasoline engines today which exceed the 150! PSI fuel line pressure.
The major issue with converting a gasoline engine to natural gas is the huge tank required to carry enough of that fuel for a reasonable travel range...plus the fact that there are not many refuelling stations around.With all other technologies going on, I doubt that natural gas will ever be a popular fuel of choice.
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Re: Escape to Natural Gas?

Postby Airmapper - February 27th, 2011, 11:54 am

Is CNG similar to LPG? I know a lot of off road vehicles get modified to run LPG, for the reason that it will operate reliably at any odd angles the engine, and fuel tank, may be placed at. Might be able to find information on converting searching off road sites.
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Re: Escape to Natural Gas?

Postby SUVord - February 27th, 2011, 12:15 pm

They are both entering the combustion chamber as gases but that is about where most similarities end.
LPG provides more BTUs by volume and is stored in a liquid form in its appropriate tank.
Natural gas requires more volume to provide the same BTUs and is stored in a gas form.The tank required is therefore much bigger.
I guess that the more we exchange views on the subject the more political the discussion will turn.Because down the road there are engines used today, as they have been for over 40 years, which can run on any fuel available, let it be gasoline, diesel, LPG etc., by the turn of a switch!
...And JP, while sipping on his Timmy's cappuccino will turn our switch off.
But damn...it is the way he does it that I cann't even argue with him.
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Re: Escape to Natural Gas?

Postby jpark - February 28th, 2011, 1:31 pm

:angel: :lol:

And just how did you know that I happened to have a Timmy's Iced Cap?

:D

Actually, this discussion is not political at all, at least not in North America.

I'd love to see exactly what kind of engines are installed in our CNG busses. As I said, they do sound like diesels.
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Re: Escape to Natural Gas?

Postby Squishy - February 28th, 2011, 2:04 pm

Go in and ask to have a look. Tell them you're internet-famous. :bill:
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Re: Escape to Natural Gas?

Postby jpark - February 28th, 2011, 5:00 pm

Famous, or infamous?

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Re: Escape to Natural Gas?

Postby Domain - February 28th, 2011, 6:34 pm

jpark wrote: :angel: :lol:

And just how did you know that I happened to have a Timmy's Iced Cap?

:D

Actually, this discussion is not political at all, at least not in North America.

I'd love to see exactly what kind of engines are installed in our CNG busses. As I said, they do sound like diesels.


We're in Buffalo, when do we not have a Timmy's product in our hands? Seriously, Roll up the Rim is actually exacerbating the problem...
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