Nevermind the fact that both of the Asian mini' utes are not as reliable as most would think. The two invincable ones are treading on having as many recalls as a Ford or GM product. Definitely not a good sign :wall: . Just goes to show that if you get too big, your going to have quality issues. No matter who you are. :shrug:jpark said:Both the RAV4 and CR-V have no manual transmissions anymore, the RAV4 still suffers from a really ugly rear end (IMHO), and the CR-V is, well, just plain ugly (the high rear camber also makes it look like the suspension is defective).