[nimar]

hello,

I had a garage test the fuel pressure in lieu of a gauge... "they" said the pressure was fine. no numbers given.
thank you peelman for the link to the adapter. got a link for a good gauge??

as for trouble codes... best way to get those? laptop and adapter?? links? pointing and laughing?

I'll have to keep at it.

thank you again for everyones help and patience.

-N

 

[peelman]

I have the OTC 5630. Not sure what they mean by pressure was fine. That maybe so, did they check if the system held pressure?
Best way to check for DTC code is to purchase a code scanner, they are reasonably priced these days.

 

[nimar]

Pardon the long delay.

There is a recent recall for fuel filler flanges that may leak.
from an operational standpoint this should have no effect on starting, but I had the vehicle at the local dealer on an unrelated issue and the "extended crank, then start" was covered under warranty.

the issue is resolved. i wish i had more to offer.

 

[thesavo]

Pardon the long delay.

There is a recent recall for fuel filler flanges that may leak.
from an operational standpoint this should have no effect on starting, but I had the vehicle at the local dealer on an unrelated issue and the "extended crank, then start" was covered under warranty.

the issue is resolved. i wish i had more to offer.

IS this the thread?
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=47410&hilit=remanufactured#p521082

IS is this one?

Ford issues safety recall for certain 2010-12 Ford Escape and 2010-11 Mercury Mariner vehicles equipped with 3.0-liter engines to replace fuel delivery module flange assembly
Ford is issuing a safety recall for approximately 400,000 2010-12 Ford Escape and 2010-11 Mercury Mariner vehicles equipped with 3.0-liter engines with flex-fuel engines for potential fuel leaks and to replace the fuel delivery module flange assembly. In affected vehicles, the fuel delivery module fuel supply port could develop a crack, causing a possible fuel leak. A fuel leak in the presence of an ignition source may increase the risk of fire.

Ford is not aware of any accidents or injuries associated with this issue.

Affected vehicles include certain 2010-12 Ford Escape vehicles equipped with 3.0-liter engines built at Kansas City Assembly Plant, Feb. 26, 2009 to April 29, 2012, and 2010-11 Mercury Mariner vehicles equipped with 3.0-liter engines built at Kansas City Assembly Plant, Feb. 25, 2009 to Dec. 12, 2010. There are approximately 411,663 vehicles affected, including 329,018 in the United States, 69,576 in Canada 7,477 in Mexico and 247 in federalized territories.

Dealers will replace the fuel delivery module flange assembly at no cost to the customer.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedi ... erica.html

 

[MadMax]

Others have had this same problem. Here's more on the solution viewtopic.php?f=8&t=49186

Worked for me

 

[csonni]

Recently had a recall procedure done on my 2010 Escape. The Fuel Delivery Module Flange was replaced. I gave them this document to make sure they did it right. Read the red text. Did you by chance have it done? I'm getting long cranking now and they said they can't do anything about it.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2016/R ... 7-3617.pdf

 

[MadMax]

You might try taking it to the next level by contacting a district manager. With this documentation I can't understand why they are still giving you such a hard time :shrug:

 

[JohnCT]

You might try taking it to the next level by contacting a district manager. With this documentation I can't understand why they are still giving you such a hard time :shrug:

Clearly the best solution is to ignore the recall unless it's actually leaking gas. Probably one in 100,000 cars have a fuel leak at that flange, whereas it seems most people who undergo the recall have problems with long crank. I'd rather take my chances than let Ford screw with it.

If anyone wants to fix the long crank, just pick up a complete assy:

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=4310289&cc=1444720&jsn=449

.. and if you don't have the right tool and you fear you may crack the locking ring:

https://parts.lakelandford.com/p/Ford__ ... C385A.html

John

 

[MadMax]

John-

If I had it to do over I wouldn't have bothered with the recall even if Ford will badger you to death about getting recalls done. However these long crank issues don't appear until AFTER the recall service has been performed, so kind of late to go back. Why some dealers are giving customers a hard time I can only guess that Ford and the dealers are at odds as to who pays, but anyone who gets any recall service performed and receives the car back not working as well as before should not be made to suffer.

 

[JohnCT]

John-

If I had it to do over I wouldn't have bothered with the recall even if Ford will badger you to death about getting recalls done. However these long crank issues don't appear until AFTER the recall service has been performed, so kind of late to go back.

I get it; that's why my advice is to ignore the recall for those who haven't yet gotten it done. For those who did and have the resultant crank issue, the only solution is to replace the entire assy.

Why some dealers are giving customers a hard time I can only guess that Ford and the dealers are at odds as to who pays, but anyone who gets any recall service performed and receives the car back not working as well as before should not be made to suffer.

From what I understand after reading the revised procedure, the problem happens when the original shrunk to fit hose is cut off the barb. If the technician cuts too deep through the hose, then the resulting gouge in the barb will become a tiny relief valve and bleed off the pressure. The only solution at that point is to change the fuel pump housing. This is the same problem that can happen if PEX plumbing is cut from a fitting. If you cut too deep and scratch/gouge the fitting, you have to replace the fitting or you'll get a small leak. The only way of replacing the damaged barb in the fuel pump housing is to replace the whole housing.

If Ford really cared, they'd rubber-stamp a brand new pump assy for those who suffered the long crank issues after the recall was performed. But you're right; the customer shouldn't have to pay for it.

John

 

[MadMax]

When my dealer fixed mine the service manager told me that a clamp was added to prevent fuel drain back out of the ejectors which was causing the long cranks. He went on to say that initially Ford was not clear about the use of these clamps and that's why the service wasn't preformed correctly to begin with. Whether that's true or he was just covering for their misstep, I have no way of knowing :shrug:

It's starting to sound as if there may possibly be more the one cause to these crank issues, hence my confusion. Anyway, it was fixed and is now running as before. Obviously a fix is possible and necessary, I just wish Ford and or their dealers wouldn't play games with the customers

 

[JohnCT]

When my dealer fixed mine the service manager told me that a clamp was added to prevent fuel drain back out of the ejectors which was causing the long cranks. He went on to say that initially Ford was not clear about the use of these clamps and that's why the service wasn't preformed correctly to begin with.

This is from the bulletin:

The Oetiker® clamp must be positioned properly and tightened using Oetiker® clamp pliers only.
Do not use side-cutter pliers to tighten the Oetiker® clamp. If the fuel supply tube or clamp are
not positioned properly or the clamp is tightened using anything other than Oetiker® clamp pliers,
this may result in a long crank or hard start concern due to fuel pressure bleed down

Getting back to my earlier PEX plumbing analogy, this sounds like the same issue some installers have with crimped PEX. With PEX, the crimping tool must be calibrated and then re-calibrated after so many uses to get the exact pressure on the crimp. Of course, even a drop of water every half an hour will eventually be a big problem.

I wonder how many techs used screw clamps or used regular pliers to crimp the new hose to the old barbs. Also, if the barb is carelessly cut too deep, even the correct clamp and installation won't prevent the bleed down.

My advice to someone with this issue is to just replace the whole pump assy, particularly if the pump has a lot of miles on it. The recall only fixes the potential leak, it doesn't provide a new pump.

John

 

[boogie]

i took mine in for the recall and had the same problem. About 4days later my car dies out of nowhere while I'm driving. My fuel pump stopped working. I bought a new one and everything was good as new. I wasn't getting the long start anymore.
Ford just so happened to send the how was your experience at the dealer text? I explained what happened and in the end they sent me a check for the costs of the new fuel pump and tow.

 

[MadMax]

i took mine in for the recall and had the same problem. About 4days later my car dies out of nowhere while I'm driving. My fuel pump stopped working. I bought a new one and everything was good as new. I wasn't getting the long start anymore.
Ford just so happened to send the how was your experience at the dealer text? I explained what happened and in the end they sent me a check for the costs of the new fuel pump and tow.

Wow, that's really great... and rare that they would do such a thing, congrats :thumb:

 

[Eller]

Do you talk about this part?I found it on this web site:6R3Z-9C385-A - Genuine Ford Base No. #9C385 Ring - Retaining

 

[alpac9600]

Have you taken it to a parts store to get the battery checked? You can check the voltage at home, however, it's the amps that really matter. Have them check to see if it's good. If not, change the battery. I have a feeling it's the battery, because you say when it hasn't been started in a while, it starts right up, which tells me the battery is getting time to regain the amps back.

that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard