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I am a newbie to this interresting site and i am looking for an aftermarket solution or a good idea to obtain orange flashers in the rear. Only too expensive solution i found yet was to swap mariner Tail lights AND bumper (lights being little longer than tribute or escape ones!) any ideas?
 

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If I'm not mistaken, the Mariner also uses a single 4157 bulb for brake, turn, and taillight functions... it looks like it could have an amber turn signal but it's just wasted space. For the Escape, I would love to see an amber turn signal put in the top/undrilled part of the tail lamp assembly. Hopefully there's an answer to this because it would be one of the first few things I'd get done. That or rear-facing DRLs (in red, obviously) like the Explorer.
 

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Ok my question has 2 parts now: having a tribute, do you feel it would be possible to use escape taillights and literally create amber emplacement on top empty (likely) position?

otherwise, if mariner has red flashers in 2010, is it possible it was not the case last year? (being almost certain i have seen this flash in orange even on you tube...)
 

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None of the 2008+ North American models have separate rear turn signals, amber or red, AFAIK. Ford does export North American Escapes to Korea, though, so I wonder if those models have amber rear signals.

The 2008+ Mariner tail lamp assembly won't fit into a 2008+ Escape or Tribute tail lamp opening.

But a 2008+ Escape tail lamp assembly will fit into a 2008+ Tribute tail lamp opening. Early media pictures of the 2008 Escape clearly show the upper clear lens with an amber bulb inside (I'll find the picture), but Ford didn't keep that feature for production. There is enough room inside the lens for a 3157NA/3457NA/4157NA bulb, since some police departments and utility companies retrofit that lens for Xenon strobe bulbs. You'd need to do some ABS plastic work, but since it welds very easily with PVC cement, you could probably find some way to weld in the reflector and socket opening from another Ford tail lamp assembly.

If I took on this project myself, I'd get a pair of 2006+ Mercury Mountaineer tail lamps, including the Osram LED modules and the wiring harnesses (for the LED module connectors). I'd cut away and modify the Escape's stop lamp reflectors to use the Mountaineer stop lamp reflectors, which would give you LED stop and tail lamps. Then cut away and modify the Escape's faux turn signal reflectors to use the Mountaineer's turn signal reflectors and amber bulbs/sockets. The LED brake lamps can be wired in parallel with the CHMSL, but I wouldn't try that with regular bulbs, since the brake switch can't handle that kind of current.

The turn signals are another story. You can't simply wire another bulb in parallel with the front turn signal lamps, because it will overload that circuit and possibly damage the Smart Junction Box. Most exterior bulbs in newer Fords are individually switched by solid-state devices in the Smart Junction Box. In fact, in almost all new Fords, the turn signal clicking sound is synthesized using the warning chime speaker. Trailer wiring is usually handled by extra relays. You could use each front signal to drive the input of a high-side FET to drive a rear lamp to another +12V circuit, but the lamps would still flash faster without the load of the rear lamp. The easy solution would be to wire a pair of resistors into each existing rear brake/turn circuit (since the brake lamps are now separated from the circuit), but personally, I hate using resistors, since they'd be heated whenever the brake lamps are on. You could always use a standard bulb and hide it somewhere.

I'd love to know if the Smart Junction Box has extra turn signal pins to drive the extra pair of rear signals. For example, the Fusion and Milan both use the same Smart Junction Box. The Fusion has no rear amber signals, but the Milan does. The strange part is that the rear brake/turn lamps on the Fusion and the separate rear turn signal lamps on the Milan are driven by the same pins, so that means that the software in each car's Smart Junction Box is internally different.

I'd need to think about this one, and I'm still waiting to get a 2010 Service DVD. Ford has changed a lot of the Escape's electrical system since the 2008 redesign.
 

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WOW !!! that is a lot of info !!! way more than i expected !!! here is what i think now: I will not put blinkers in front (flasher repeaters in front fender) too complicated!! i am focusing on amber flashers in taillights either with escape OEM 2010 taillights and drill some kind of an hole, electric socket, and amber bulb. Wirering would probably be not so bad to make them flash. Other solution beeing still to swap taillights and rear bumper from a 2009-10 mariner $$$$$$.

Is anybody aware of an aftermarket tail light fitting my 09 mazda that would fill my desperate wish of orange flashers in the back?

How come safety comes second in north america? Even German companies that have that mandatory amber flasher feature in europe, invest efforts to go back to red specifically for North american market? Thanks for all your answers and efforts guys!!! I'm curious of seeing this amber flasher picture !
 

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WOW !!! that is a lot of info !!! way more than i expected !!! here is what i think now: I will not put blinkers in front (flasher repeaters in front fender) too complicated!! i am focusing on amber flashers in taillights either with escape OEM 2010 taillights and drill some kind of an hole, electric socket, and amber bulb. Wirering would probably be not so bad to make them flash. Other solution beeing still to swap taillights and rear bumper from a 2009-10 mariner $$$$$$.
The 2008+ Mariner does not have amber rear signals, either. In fact, no Mariner has ever had separate rear signals, amber or red. Like the 2008+ Escape, the 2008+ Mariner's rear tail lamp assembly has a fake, empty turn signal lens.

Adding the Mariner's fender repeater lamps to a 2008+ Tribute or Escape is actually not that difficult, but you would need to cut into the front fenders and seal the metal around the cut. The Mariner's repeater lamp and connector are standard Ford parts and are both fairly inexpensive.

As far as wiring goes, please re-read what I wrote above. DO NOT try to wire another pair of rear bulbs in parallel with the front signals. Exterior bulbs are now controlled by electronics with current limits, not by relays, so you could damage the Smart Junction Box, which is very expensive to replace. I'm just trying to save you from making a very expensive mistake.

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Is anybody aware of an aftermarket tail light fitting my 09 mazda that would fill my desperate wish of orange flashers in the back?
There are no OEM or aftermarket solutions for this, unfortunately.

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How come safety comes second in north america? Even German companies that have that mandatory amber flasher feature in europe, invest efforts to go back to red specifically for North american market? Thanks for all your answers and efforts guys!!! I'm curious of seeing this amber flasher picture !
Don't get me started! North America is the only industrialized area of this planet that does not mandate separate rear amber turn signals and side repeater signals. It's all based on corporate greed, plain and simple. You are allowed to have them here, but it's just not mandatory.
 

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Thanks again for helping me out!!! I think i'll wait until i can afford a Benz G-wagen with amber everything !!! :yes:
 

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jpark, how hard would it be to incorporate a 2006+ Explorer tail light configuration to an Escape? There are three bulbs: one reverse, one brake/turn, and one rear DRL (that just sits there and lights up when the head lights are on). This could be an easier alternative to making use of the empty space.
 
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