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any updates Joe?

joemarine1990 said:
I have received the TopR lift kit. Based on visual inspection, everything appears to be of comparable design and construction to parts you would purchase locally. The kit I bought included 4 lifting springs for up to 3" of lift, new longer TopR shocks and struts and pitman arms. There are more than one kit available. When I inspected the kit, there were some minor chips in the paint on the springs from the long tranport from Taiwan, but I touched it up with a little black paint and they're good to go. The rear shocks are white, the front struts were tan. For strictly cosmetic reasons, I chose to repaint the struts white to match the shocks. As I said, the parts look to be of good quality, so now to install. I was supposed to be getting it installed in my 2005 Escape today, but due to scheduling issue with my mechanic, I am now going to install it Sunday afternoon. I will take pictures and video of the installation process, and before-and-after photos.
Of course, the real test is how it rides on and off road. I do expect the ride to be a bit stiffer of course. The rear shocks I got are 9-position dial-adjusted, so I will do some testing at different settings. By the end of next week I will have taken them out into the Cascade Mountains here in Granite Falls, WA. Lots of forest service roads to test out the dampening and rebound characteristics. I'm pretty excited to test it. I will try to supply some good information, and of course my own opinion on whether this kit is right for us. If I am impressed, I am considering opening an Ebay store to sell products for Escape owners such as these suspension lift kits. Plus, I have a vinyl cutter I bought a couple years ago, so I might start producing some graphics to help everyone pimp their rides. I'm thinking of calling the store Great Escapes...By for now.
 
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An update on my lifted Escape. I installed a TopR lift kit that included four new springs, two new struts, and two new shocks. I got the TopR adjustable rear shocks(similar to Rancho adjustables), which they actually don't typically ship to the US anymore. They are a little noisy, which they told me up front. Too many US customers don't like the noise, so they typically ship to US with ProComp rear shocks. They also will sell you everything except the rear shocks if you want to order those locally and save on shipping. The shipping is 1/3 of the cost almost in getting this kit from Taiwan. Anyway, I talked them into selling me the adjustables promising I wouldn't complain about the noise. If I don't like the noise I would just go buy some new shocks. I am ok with the noisy shocks most the time... Anyway, an important installation note is that the bushings in the shocks wouldn't fit over the mounting bolts. We had to ream them up slightly during the install. No big deal. I suspect that it may be that the kit was designed for Asian market and perhaps the Escapes sold in Asia use metric bolts? It seemed to us that was most logical explanation, though I didn't communicate with the seller about it. Just something to be prepared for if you tackle this install. And if you buy the adjustable rear links with it, be sure they are installed on the BOTTOM. There are no install instructions, and we installed on top position initially. Well, that caused rubbing between the tire and the shocks, quickly requiring a new set of shock boots. I contacted the company, they asked me to send pictures of the problem which I did. They promptly emailed me saying please install the adjustable links on the BOTTOM. We did, and rubbing problem solved. Before installing the links, make sure you adjust the length to match as closely as possible the length of the stock link you just removed. This being done, have 4 wheel alignment checked before putting hundreds of miles on it to prevent any tire wear issues. I had mine done at Firestone and paid extra for the lifetime alignment. It's a modest extra fee, I think about $50 but it's worth it. I later went four-wheeling and missed a deep swale in the logging road I was charging down at 45 mph and damaged my front suspension. The TopR stuff was all fine, but I bent an expensive Ford part. So Firestone replaced the damaged part(which I had to pay for) but I didn't have to pay for new alignment! Talking about $90 off the repair bill.
All-in-all, the install wasn't too tough if you have decent mechanic skills and the right basic tools. Just make sure you know what you are doing when replacing springs and especially coil-over McPherson struts, they can KILL YOU if you don't use proper tools and techniques. If in doubt, take it to a professional. I have been satified with my TopR kit, which when paired with a set of 30" tires gave me and additional 3.5" of ground clearance. And the folks who predicted my half-shafts would be broke in a month(like a Ford mechanic that worked on my Escape) were dead wrong. 12 months or so of onroad and offroad use with no problems with the drive train. Also, the guys at the local offroad shop that wanted to sell me steel wheel spacers, saying my billet aluminum ones would break first time I went offroad, they were wrong too.. It's nice to have that additional 5" of track when you go up in height, lowering your CG back down a bit. Happy trails!
 
So far this is the only escape Ive read about that where the CVs could handle more than 2" lift. Do you have any pictures to show us? It would be nice to see it next to your daughters escape for reference along with pictures of the suspension components installed and the CVs.
 
Strider said:
So far this is the only escape Ive read about that where the CVs could handle more than 2" lift. Do you have any pictures to show us? It would be nice to see it next to your daughters escape for reference along with pictures of the suspension components installed and the CVs.
You can read the report that he bent other suspension components using his lift off road. There's still no way to get around all the issues with changing independent suspension geometry on a lift kit of that size. If there was a trouble free lift kit solution, someone would have built it in the last 15 years that Escapes have been on the road. You pay your money and take your chances :thumb:
 
JMPatts94 said:
By the way, are you selling the products like you said you wanted if the product turned out to be good?? :)
Several forum members over the years have made the same claim that they will import these GIZ suspension products for Escapes, but you'll notice it never seems to really work out. It's been a while since someone here has given the GIZ folks in Taiwan a stack of Benjamins to try it again.
Maybe someone a little more ambitious could book a flight to Taiwan and bring a set or two back. Might be cheaper than splitting a whole shipping container cost with GIZ. At least then you'd have a trip to Taiwan, which is pretty nice to visit in the winter or spring.
 
Any pics?? I'm thinking about lifting mine. I have a 5-speed XLT Gold Edition and would like to lift it as I am going to install bigger tires on it. Right now is sitting on $2K in suspension. I have Sensen Struts all around and aftermarket components all around. The wheels have 2" spacers between them so you can guess that the tires are going to rub on the mud flaps. Any thoughts??
 
Here for the 9 year old pics or it didn’t happen….
He probably broke it. I have an 83 CJ-7 I have built from the ground up, and there are several things that are not mentioned in this story.

just raising the springs changes the entire geometry of the suspension, going 3 inches or higher you often need to have adjustable track bars/control arms, and longer lower a arms.
You have to change front and rear sway bar end links. You have to run longer hard brake lines from the frame to the caliper.
I have never heard of the CV axles being an issue, but the driveshaft will either pull apart, or completely slide out of the transfer case. No only did I have to purchase custom double cardin joint driveshafts, I also had to lower the transfer case by an inch. A drive line wants to be as straight as it possibly can be, with no angles present. Without repositioning spring perches on the axle, I was able to use a racing 2 degree wedge.

I am sure if you see the print out of his half assed alignment(betting toe set only), the camber and caster numbers will both still be out.

where I used to live, police officers would pull you over and measure the height of your front bumper… I would look into that regulation where you live locally(I was able to get legal again by installing an aftermarket winch bumper)

if you really want to see what is necessary, look at an OME kit for a IFS Toyota, that is all inclusive.(Then ask a Toyota guy that's installed it, and I bet he will still tell you additional parts were still necessary

before people got lazy on the internet, you used to have to look at shock specifications, and look at the travel numbers to upgrade… Also making sure that eye/bushing diameters were compatible.
If you know your travel numbers(Or can be bothered to do a little research), you will probably find a bevy of different shock options

wheel spacers geometry will destroy wheel bearings prematurely. It is better to again do your homework, and get a rim that has the backspacing/offsets you are looking for. Changing any of the factory geometry puts additional wear and tear on the vehicle.

addressing those that want to level the vehicle and remove the factory rake of the suspension… You need to realize that there are sensors in your vehicle that are set to the rake of your vehicle…seatbelt auto tensioners being the first one I can think of, that can have their function impaired by changing factory engineered geometry.
 
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