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Hey all,

I have a 2005 XLS, and the speakers are ok, but I spend a ton of time driving every day to and from work and would like something with a bit better sound. Ideally, I'd like to replace all 4 door speakers and NOT break the bank.

Anyone have any links to some speakers I could check out?

And what size speakers are in the door stock? I'd rather not have to rip them apart just to find out haha :D

-Mike
 

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The stock speakers are 5x7's. I'd suggest replacing all 4 with 6.5 inch rounds though. Round speaker reproduce sound better than ovals. As far as brand goes, if you don't want to spend tons of money look at Infinity Reference series. Or some low-end Blaupunkt.
 

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Well if you spend a lot of time in the car get a small four channel amp and some component speakers. I just bought some phoenix gold rsd's. From ebay you can get the amp, from and back speakers, and some door deadener like fatmat for under 250 dollars. If you want to go a little further you could pick up a small 10 inch sub to fill in the low end.
 

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If you want simple (cheap) drop-in coaxials, check out Phoenix Gold RSDs as well (on ebay). They are less than half the price of Infinity, etc., and they sound better.
 

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Ludachrls83 said:
Would you hear any improvement by putting in new speakers but keeping the factory head unit?
Yes, but you will be lacking bass and sensitivity. Meaning, it won't be as loud as factory typically but it will be more perceptibly clear, as long as you stay out of clipping in the head unit.

Usually aftermarket gear only plays nice with aftermarket gear.

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Thanks for the replies guys, I am also dropping in an aftermarket head unit from my old car that I traded in for my Escape ... a Sony CD/MP3 player
 

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" BOSE ". Have to admit i have, never heard them in a car.

It is only a suggestion. Are they reasonable? :shrug:
 

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" BOSE ". Have to admit i have, never heard them in a car.

It is only a suggestion. Are they reasonable? :shrug:
Bose's home theater speakers are often considered overpriced for the sound quality you get form them (though they are also really tiny). I don't know if that translates to their car audio as well.
 

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"No Highs, No Lows, Must Be Bose"

Ok time for the Media Specialist mini-rant :rant: about Bose.....

After dealing with a mix of pro/consumer audio all day, I get the pleasure of advising family and friends about how their consumer/automotive audio and video questions. Approx. 65% of the time, the first word of people's mouth when I ask what they think is "top of the line" is Bose. This first means that Bose has done an extraordinary job of properly placing themselves in the market. But, just because something has a high sticker price, does not mean it's any better. Let me explain.....The low down on Bose (this applies more so to Home equipment, but can be applied to car audio as well)....is Bose's first priority on their products is to look pretty. Walk into any Bose store and talk to one of their sales people. Their knowledge, while some-what extensive with audio, is also based largely on the actually physical aspects of the product or unit. Their installers focus more on placement of the unit in order to flow with the layout of the room, which isn't always the best place to mount speakers or other equipment.

In terms of automotive, Bose's systems are the "premium" audio option on some automotive makers such as GM. I do not believe you can purchase after-market 12-volt Bose equipment. If you were really bent on Bose, you could retrofit OEM equipment from Ebay. I once went to a Taurus show a couple years ago and saw someone who had taken Bose speakers from a Yukon, and fitted them to a '98 Taurus SHO, along with the stock JBL sub. They weren't bad, but for the work he did and the money it cost, he could of had some nice Polk's or Focal's in there instead...but he wanted Bose.

Factory systems that are truly "Premium" are systems such as the Mark Levinson systems in Lexus. Especially the one in the new LX570..7.1 Surround Sound with a total of 19 speakers and 15 bridged amps.... :drool: :drool: .....I test drove one....strictly for the audio system. We didn't even leave the parking lot...I sat and played with the radio...(the salesman's face was classic). It really is amazing, for an OEM system. (I'm sure some of the stuff fourthmeal and others have put together could make Mark Levinson sh*t his pants) :lol:

At the end of the day...if you want something small, easy, you have money to burn, and it sounds "good" to the average person then Bose is for you. In layman terms I equate Bose to the $40 car wash and washing in the driveway. Bose is the $40 wash..it's quick...easy...expensive...and the car comes out looking pretty good, not great but good. The alternative is the driveway...you can wash it yourself...save $15 bucks...and have it look 50% better. All depends on what you have to spend and whats important to you at the end of the day. I know this was a longggg post and I apologize, but I hate seeing people buying Bose...taking it home and turning it on and saying...."that's it?".
 

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I'd like to add that BOSE is a technology company, specializing in two main things, and that is psycho-acoustics and suspensions. The first one is probably of no surprise, they are masters at making a killer profit on building sound systems just good enough to be liked by a lot of people. They also make a decent noise-cancellation earphone, to boot. Their best product is still in development, and that is their suspension system that compensates for just about any type of road condition without disrupting the cabin. Demonstration videos are available on Youtube, just search for BOSE suspension. Anyway, what this leads us to is an average-sounding home system for lots of money. And in the world of car audio, it leads to what would seemingly be a premium sound system that the OEM can charge major upgrade bucks for. It doesn't sound "bad", but what BOSE lacks is definition, detail, and clarity of voice, amongst many other things that are more of a nuance rather than an issue. You see, there are high-detail speakers, laid-back speakers, speakers in between, and then there is BOSE. I fault BOSE the most for using 80's materials for their drivers, plastic and cheap woods for their cabinets, and cheap or non-existent electronics (like their crossovers) to handle the frequency response per speaker. To finish off a bad scenario, those cute little bose cubes have far too little inner airspace to actually properly control the cone, they are not critically damped and thus the frequency response suffers even worse than they should. In fact, if you take the bose speakers out (try not to laugh when you do) and install them in properly-made larger enclosures, they would sound 3x better!
 

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kkreit01 said:
^ X2. Bose is to audio as Dyson is to Vacuums :D
Now I haven't owned a Dyson vacuum, but the patents on the motor and chamber structure alone impress the hell out of me. I also like his air-dry hand dryer at the TX airport. Have you seen his blade-less oscillating fan?
 

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fourthmeal said:
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I've read about those, they look pretty freakin sick. :yes: Don't misunderstand my BOSE bashing. As a marketing major, I do admire their marketing team, they do an amazing job at postioning themeslves in the market.
 

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fourthmeal said:
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I've read about those, they look pretty freakin sick. :yes: Don't misunderstand my BOSE bashing, they are a great company, they obviously know how to market their product. :D
LOL bash them all you want, I was more concerned with Dyson.
 

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Go to a true vacuum store, not WalMart, Best Buy, Sears, etc. Look at the bottom of a $4/500 Simplicity or Riccar (made in USA), and compare with the bottom of a $4/500 Dyson. Which one will last longer? Which one will the Vacuum salesmen recommend? Our local dealer sold both (because he stated some people only want Dyson). He wouldn't recommend a Dyson though. There's a reason why they are showing up in Big Lots stores.

Sorry -- this is very off topic. I guess we could discuss which one "sounds better", or "gets louder". :)P
 

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I agree that while Bose sounds decent, I feel their stuff doesn't have an extual "OOMPH" to it. I feel the same way about a lot of Paradigm's stuff too...to me, it sounds dull or muddy.

With that being said, I think that both sound and vision is completely subjective, and what one person thinks is stellar, another person may not be as awestruck. Myself, I preffer kit that is "Bright" sounding. Hence my having a Marantz HT Receiver, driving Klipsch Refference cabinets. This stuff does what I want, and does it very well.

Anyways, back on topic...as far as speakers go in your truck, you have a crazy amount of options. If you are working on a budget, and don't need SQ levels like Fourthmeal or others on here, you'll do fine with aftermarket 6x8 components up front, and 6x8's in the rear doors. If you are like me, and want something that is bright and/or clear sounding, then you could check out the JBL GTO and Power Series Stuff. Both JBL and Infinity use dual 2 ohm voice coils so that your OEM or aftermarket deck can drive them efficiently without an external amp, much easier than just a standard 4 ohm speaker. They also have a pushbutton on the tweeter to increase it's output by 3db if you want/need to. I did this with the Infinity's I put in the back of my Mustang, and they sounded great.

As far as adding a sub goes, I think you might be happy with finding an OEM Subwoofer enclosure and right rear 1/4 panel (interior one). Load the enclosure with an aftermarket 8" driver, and drive it with a small class D amp. This way you can have a sub that doesn't infringe on your cargo space at all, and you will keep the cubby on the LHS too. I think small subs sound great in vehicles like ours, and I'm just going to upgrade my sub and amp in the stock location.

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Davis137 said:
Hence my having a Marantz HT Receiver, driving Klipsch Refference cabinets.
Good Man :yes: :clap: Marantz makes great receivers, they are practically bulletproof.
 

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Thanks for the comment, and I do think Marantz makes some very good quality product. Mine is a 7.1 THX certified unit, and I'm driving a pair of Klipsh RB25's off the front, an RC25 Center, and for now, a pair of RS25's for the rears. Bass duties are carried out by a Klipsch RW10 Subwoofer.

I recently acquired a Marantz DVD player as a small upgrade from an exsisting DVD player (and it matches my receiver cosmetically too), and it does a very good job. Fantastic audio quality in both surround and stereo, and the picture is quite good too.

Anyways, sorry about the threadjack!
 
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