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I just traded in my 04 Focus (off lease) and bought a 2008 Escape XLT V6 with 71'000'km. The Escape runs great, no complaints except the gas mileage.
When I picked up the truck there was a little less then 1/2 tank. (dealer had promised me a full...) First thing I noticed by the time I got home about 15km away was that it was alittle closer to 1/4 tank now. The second thing that caught my attention, the feature that tells you how many KM's until empty, well driving about 1 full city block resulted in a 6km drop... which seems crazy! I checked the OIL and it looks clean. I've driven about 40-50 km's today ( short trips ) and already it's below 1/4 tank now. The gas usage seems pretty high, the KM to E thing is dropping off 5-6km for every km I drive, and like I said when I pick it up they gave me less then 1/2 tank but driving home 15km resulted in the gauge going to a little over 1/4. Are they really this bad? or something wrong? It's a reputable Ford Dealer so I'm going to assume they did a complete check over, and I have them pull a Car Proof report which turned out good. It drives like a dream, the power seems good on pull away. Thanks for any advice suggestions.
 

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Something is wrong.
If I were you I would go back to the dealer and ask him what the "normal" gas mileage is. Then (I hope you worked your math for gas mileage - but to do that you need to burn at least 1 tank), I would show him the real consumption and ask him to chip in and fix (or check for problem) for free. The car should still be under some sort of warranty, no?
 

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You should fill it up and start over and get your mileage (km) from that. I beleive that your gas was in that zone of being way under the half way point and the gauge trying/about to calculate that of under 1/2 half way on the gauge. SO when you got in and started to drive the gauge fixed itself to correct fuel level.

Hope that makes sense. Try it out.
 

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Is there anything under the hood I can check that might be contributing? How accurate is the KM to E feature suppose to be? and will it at times shave off 5-6km's for every km's based on the way your driving? I'm use to driving 150km on a 1/4tank with my Focus, and I know I moved up to a V6 but still... I drove 50km today, and given it was start and stop 50km's, but still...
 

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I too think that it is a readjustment phase that the indicator has gone through.Together with what oskerb suggested I would even go a step further and disconnect the negative battery pole and wait a few minutes before putting it back again.
Good luck and please keep us posted.
 

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I agree with Megascape...check the air filter...it is probably very much clogged like the one in mine when i got it, it was literally black and caked with dirt, bugs, etc. I put a new one in and its like night and day.

Did you get yours certified pre owned? Even if you did it isnt even a requirement for the delership to change it to qualify which is stupid.
 

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Ok, I checked the Air Filter and although it's not new, it definately doesn't need replacing yet. After filling up the tank completely, the KM to E is now reporting a more realistic figure. Actaully, it's pretty close to target now... someone mentioned to me that the bottom half the of tank, the way it could be shipped drains alot quicker and that's why maybe it's dropping off so fast?
Overall I'm very happy with my purchase, it drives great. As a side question... in all 3 fords I've had (Escort, Focus, now Escape) all three the steering wheel was slightly turned to the left. A tad. And in all 3 cars, if you placed the steering wheel exaclty straight 100% all 3 would veer off to right. I always figured you should be able to put the steering wheel 100% even straigh and have it drive straight, but all 3 cars that's not that case. So might the Escape need an alighnment, or is that who they are designed?
Thanks again.
 

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GO withan alignment shop, a big reputable place and have them square that away for you. That not how they are designed
 

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Funny that you mentioned that veering symptom with the three Fords you mentioned, but I have had Escort, Focus and Escape in Europe and noticed that veering only with the Escape.
If the vehicle does not pull to any side but only the steering wheel is off, then you do not need an alignment but just centering of the wheel.
 

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Yeh,it seems if I put the steering wheel a tad to the left it drives straight and won't pull to the right, however as mentioned if I put the steering wheel 100% to straight, it wants to go right slightly. It was like that in my Escort, Focus and now this... kinda annoying but people have told me that is normal... although I can't believe it. I'll have the Dealer take a look next week when I bring it back in. When I bought the Escape, the 4 doors had the door paint peeling off (common issue I think?) and so the Dealer is ordering me 4 new door things... as well somebody didn't bother checking the wipers because they are torn up... nice of them to saftey the car but whatever.
 

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A word of caution if I may.
If the dealer can not fix it, (which won't surprise me), follow oskerb's advice and go to an authorized wheel shop to have the problem fixed.It should not be like that.
 

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Got in contact with the dealer, they are going to look at the allignment when it's in to fix the door side strips. (paint coming off) I'll post back with the results.
 

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A week later and nothing has changed... the dealership who said they would call on Tuesday, didn't, and when I called on Wednesday they said the parts were still on order but they "hoped" would arrive soon. How long does it actually take a Ford Dearship to order some side door posts? Can't they get that stuff overnight?

Anyways, I've been driving it to work 40km each way this past week and I've noticed a few things, maybe small, maybe big, hopefully someone can chip in what it may be.

#1 - They is definitely a "thump" "thump" noise coming from the back end, and it becomes more apparent the fast you go. Along with that, at speeds of 70+ km/h I can feel a very slight vibration in the arm rest/head rests of both front seats. I assumed maybe whatever vibration I was feeling might be from the back end? or could a little bit be normal?

#2 - The shifting between gears is not smooth (jumps/jolts). More noticeable is when I'm doing 40-100km take my foot off the gas and when I press again you can feel the transmission catch, or jump. It's not a 100% of the time issue but definitely more then 60%. Is this normal for the Escape? I did read a few places I think the 4 speed doesn't make smooth transitions but... when it jolts, just doesn't seem right... I'll be doing 80km, brake, then tap the gas and "jolt/jump" whatever you call it, you can feel the trans just didn't like that.

#3 - I'm getting some feedback from the Gas Pedal. When I press the gas pedal the feedback is like the pedal is scrapping on a metal grinder... I don't hear any noise... just feel it with my foot. The fast I go, the less feedback I get.

#4 - I already mentioned it needs an allignment, but I'm not sure if this is related or not. It seems when you turn the wheel left it's slightly more stiff... and it snaps back straight fast, however turning the wheel right is noticably more easy, not by much but it's noticable, and it doesn't snap back as fast. If's enought to make me thing this can't be normal and maybe is related to the allignment issue? or not?

Power is very good, no issues with acceleration/braking so that part is good. Thanks in advance for any feedback!
 

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So the Escape went into the dealership today for the repairs. They replaced the back tires as they said the tires had uneven spots, or egg shaped. So with that done the noise I've been hearing is now completely gone. The paint panels also got replaced.

Now onto the allignment issue... they said the allignment was checked and done, however I still have the exact same issue. The steering wheel must be kept 1-2cm on an angle to keep straight. Even if I'm in the far left lane with the slope going left, if the is wheel stright it pulls right. And of course being in the right lane pulls it right faster. There were a few parts of the highway that, (and I can't say forsure) if I kept the wheel 1-2 left, it seemed to go straigh... but for the most part it still pulls right. Now here is what they did for the allignment:

FRONT:

Caster:
Left 1.5 changed to 2.1
Right 1.3 changed to 2.0

Camber:
Left -0.9 same
Right -1.2 same

Toe:
Left 5/32" changed to 1/16"
Right -1/32 changed to 1/16"
Total 5/32" same

The dealership gave me a loaner car for the day, and that car's steering wheel could go 110% flush with the wheel colulm and drive straight for a long distance.
A friend mechanic explained that because the truck has 70'000km, it might be difficult to get 100% straight? Also it might have been a factory built issue with the steering wheel not being properly set straight? Any ideas? At this point, I'm even willing to pay to have a shop fix it as it should not pull, and I really want the wheel jsut to be straight.
 

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The steering wheel must be kept 1-2cm on an angle to keep straight.
All my "pulling to the left/right" issues (seemed to be temperature related) went away when I dumped the Conticraps and got the Triple Tred tires.
 

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Switching tires may eliminate the problem only if it is caused by them.
I tend to think that here we are faced with a front-end problem.It is frustrating and time consuming to find the culprit.I've been through that myself and believe me it is much harder than engine malfunctioning.Before you check any components of the steering and suspension it is worthwhile to take some measurements.
Measure the distance between the center of the front left wheel to the center of the fender, making sure you hold the tape verticaly.Do the same on the right front wheel.Do the two measurements coincide to the accuracy of a millimeter?
Do the same for the two rear wheels.
If the left and right measurements do not coincide any allignment of the car will not keep it from veering to one side.
 

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If the rear tires had a scalping issue, the shocks may need to be replaced. Worn shocks scalp tires and cause the vibrations.

As far as alignment - any good dealer can straighten out a crooked steering wheel. Front end alignment usually includes centering the front wheel. I would bring it back.
 
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