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Well, we have gone and done it.
We have traded in my wonderful True Blue "E" scape 2003 FWD V6 XLS

for a 2010 FWD V6 XLT.

I'm leaning towards calling her .... mini "T".

BTW:
this makes Escape #3
My wife's is "Esmee"
2008 i4 4WD XLS
 

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Sounds like you can't get enough of these Escapes...
:yes:
Sharp looking machines too! ;)
 

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Wow, no more Tru-Blu?

How do the two V6 engines compare? Noticeable difference in normal driving, or just under heavy acceleration?
 

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Wow, no more Tru-Blu?

How do the two V6 engines compare? Noticeable difference in normal driving, or just under heavy acceleration?
Well, someone else will be driving her. .......I wonder if they will ever find out that the 3rd brake light has the ESCAPE printing on it.

How do the two V6 engines compare? ...
Well, there are a few difference in the setup.
1) Now 16" wheels over the 03's -15" and this changes the ride and accelleration, I think.
2)I'm sure You know that they've changed the steering to Elec Assist. back in (08 I think.) ....which has more of a "car-like" feel....less touch with the road. My wife's i4 08 has the 4WD and this changes the feel of the suspension with the extra linkages to the rear drive. This 2010 car is way quieter than my 03...even when the 03 had new tires on it. So, I think that the ride is less "sport/utility" and more car/luxury with a view.

but...you're asking about drive train....
3)The newer V6 drive is simply smoother. I still need to find the shift points since I use them for economy. I think the shifting is smoother. The upshifts are smoother but I also think that the tranny has the same memory programming that the CD4E had. So, the shifting characteristics can change for the diver. I have noticed downshifting under flat road as I slow so there may be more hunting but it hasn't done the CD4E's annoying trick of slow downshifting when nearing a stop....you know, that downshift hesitation that may happen when you then press the accelerator as you approach a red stop light and then the traffic light changes to green.
4)I tried the gas pedal one time going down an entrance ramp and as my head was planted to the headrest, my wife grumbled, "Show-off!" Sorry to report but.....her '08's older i4 would have no chance in a drag and it would most likely toast my replaced beloved '03 as well. BUT her 08's 4wd can get out of deep snow and that's a plus for her car. I have tried our friend's 03 Tribby with V6 4WD and the wife's i4 4wd and for normal driving though, I prefer the smoothness of the Fwd. because it feels like there's less clunking going on down below.
That being said, I don't need "that kind" of acceleration unless I feel like embarrassing some raggedy Equinox, and ...I really don't need the XLT accessories that I had to get to get the V6. I bought the v6 to tow our little sailboat and I generally am into driving w/fuel economy in mind.

So....
Because I'm one cheap bas..(oops, so-and-so)..I don't need the sun roof, the Sirius Sat. 6 mo....come-on, the Microsoft(ugggh!)...Sync (My $10/month cell has a pull out antenna and won't work with it), the power driver's seat, the tinted windows, the fog lights.......
Frankly, I don't like the under-car spare tire location. I think that location is stupid and inconvenient.
The console shift is a plus over the column shifter but the arm rest storage box is less convenient in the re-design. In my 03 box, I had to remove 24 CD cases, one CD flip-type folder that is about 2" thick and not one, but.. two can's of Deep-woods off insect repellent that I had lost in that console armrest box.

I do like the taller side mirrors for the rear view but they don't retract very far at all compared to the '03 type. I'm still trying to figure out the new center mirror. It's like tinted and doesn't flip for night.
I have to read the manual in order to figure out the headlamp switch now. This is something that should be a no-brainer but it has some sort of setting for automatic-on. So, as I was told, "you just leave it and the car knows when to turn on the headlights". Last night at dusk, the sun was shining and the interior instrument cluster lights were changing brightness on their own depending upon the car's compass direction. I do like the MPG readout, the compass/outside temp display.

Oh well, more after coffee break.
~bilbo
N.E. Ohio
 

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Great writeup!

I hate those automatic headlights, too. We'll have fairly bright days here, with heavy snow, visibility about three car-lengths, and 90% of the GMs have no taillights on. First thing I do when a friend buys a GM is show them where the light switch is and educate them on proper lighting. :doh:
 

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good idea squish!

my wifes car has the auto headlights, and ive never seemed to have a problem with them. the sensor seems to work really well on it.
 

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Hey Bilbo! Where in N.E. Ohio? I went to Brecksville grade school, but lived in Broadview Hts. Then moved to Orwell and attended Grand Valley H.S. (Class of 70) then Kent State Trumbull Campus for two years before moving to TX.
 

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Hi David,
I'm from north side of Youngstown. We get up to Ashtabula Co rather often. LAst weekend it was the covered bridge festival and we roamed the N.E. Side of the county. We've been to Orwell. I used to spend a week in the summer at Whitewood 4H camp when I was a kid.

I don't mind the automatic headlights. I just have to get used to how these things work.

The real learning curve involves the Ms Sync/phone and the Sirius.
With the Sync system comes a USB port for the entertainment center. I just tried the USB out with one of those portable storage devices like the Sandisk Cruzer Flash drive and I've come to realize that the CD player has become obsolete. With a $20 8 gig flash drive a person can store maybe ~1500 of their most favorite MP3 tunes and play them through the system. That's maybe enough tunes for 3 solid days of non-repeat partay. -this is their base low end stereo system BTW. Way better than my dad's 65 Ford Galaxie 500 with the single speaker AM Radio.

For a update....Today I was driving on a fairly straight and level road at about 45 MPH and After resetting the Avg mpg. it leveled off at.............. 36 mpg. :wave:
 

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Cool thing the bridge festival. I used to cross them all the time when I was a kid. Seems like the state tore down as many as possible till about 20 years ago...then someone woke up!

I learned to love my auto lamps on a Crown Vic that I had years ago. Btw, I owned a 67 Ford Custom 500, basically a Galaxie 500 with a sedan body.

Not to be a wet blanket, but the mpg is optomistic on these things, but not bad. Maybe 1 or 2 mpg.
 

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They do tend to be optimistic, but sometimes you get a car where it is spot on once you do a few manual calculations. Either way, 30+ MPG on a gasoline-powered V6 SUV was simply impossible just a couple of years ago. I'm starting to get an itch...

But knowing my cheap bastard ways, I'd just end up with a used Escort. :doh:
 

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Congrats on the new escape, Bilbo ! Both the 08 and the 2010 are very sharp !!! :thumb:

We just recently purchased an 09 Mariner Hybrid and my husband is now driving our 08 Escape. Our family shares your love for these vehicles. Since my husband has been driving the Escape on a regular basis, he has commented many times about how much he is enjoying it. :)
 

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jonas1022 said:
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Not to be a wet blanket, but the mpg is optomistic on these things, but not bad. Maybe 1 or 2 mpg.
Well yes this is true. I'd say that most people won't or can't roll along a flat road for any length of time at exactly 45 mph as if they have an aircraft or boat style throttle so that they can maintain an economy setting. But on the other hand, most drivers will tend to move the accelerator more than necessary OR as they take off, they tend to follow the flow of traffic. This does not lead to best case MPG figs. but it is pretty often necessary for the sake of traffic.

One thing that I do notice is that the older V6 engine /tranny tended to jump from a standing start more readily as you pushed the gas and now I find myself trying to give her gas and then sitting for a short instant before the car begins to move....all in getting used to something different.
 

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Colleen said:
Congrats on the new escape, Bilbo ! Both the 08 and the 2010 are very sharp !!! :thumb:

We just recently purchased an 09 Mariner Hybrid and my husband is now driving our 08 Escape. Our family shares your love for these vehicles. Since my husband has been driving the Escape on a regular basis, he has commented many times about how much he is enjoying it. :)
Thanks Colleen, These things are definitely more fun to drive and they feel safer than my dad's old Fairmont Station Wagon :bill: .
 

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Bilbo said:
One thing that I do notice is that the older V6 engine /tranny tended to jump from a standing start more readily as you pushed the gas and now I find myself trying to give her gas and then sitting for a short instant before the car begins to move....all in getting used to something different.
Do these '10s use throttle by wire? I'm wondering if that the reason for the delay compared to the previous version. I seem to remember similiar complaints about the newer Mustangs.
 

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I think the drive by wire is correct, starting with the 08 model. But wouldn't swear to it. A reflash of the processor by a speed shop will loose the throttle delay. I think that done for smoother operation of the vehicle.
 

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I think the drive by wire is correct, starting with the 08 model. But wouldn't swear to it. A reflash of the processor by a speed shop will loose the throttle delay. I think that done for smoother operation of the vehicle.
Well, I'm not sure about that. You're probably correct. I though that it had to do with the sensitivity of the gas pedal and where the throttle begins increasing the gas flow. I'm getting used to it.

MPG update:
she's reading 26 MPG right now for the average after about 1/3 tank and my typical driving routine. Not sure if their comp is "accurate' but it's better than the averages that I was getting with the 03 V6 by about 3 MPG so far.
 

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Nice Escape, Bilbo!!!

I remember that you were wondering about the missing yee-hah handle on the driver side when you bought the '08. Does the '10 have one?

If it does, does that mean that wifey will want you to give her the '10?

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Nice Escape, Bilbo!!!

I remember that you were wondering about the missing yee-hah handle on the driver side when you bought the '08. Does the '10 have one?
Ha....Interesting way of putting the question. Yes the 2010 has one. On the pass side. (Actually no need on the driver's side because of the steering wheel) But the 03 had two front and two ceiling entry ones for the rear seats.
jpark said:
If it does, does that mean that wifey will want you to give her the '10? :D
Oh yes, she's in deep wants for two reasons. In 2000 she bought a silver Merc. Sable and wanted a more tricked out black one. I said, "I wouldn't own a black vehicle. They get hot in the summer." Now, I have one and it has Sirius Satt. w/the Boss channel or some such station....Every time she gets in, it's Born to Run and Run and Run.....
i can't escape it!

Some additional comments. It's pretty much looking good here. No big problems. The interesting improvement with the tranny that I notice is that it doesn't kick up the RPMS a few hundred every time that I re-press the gas after coasting.
I'm enduring a learning curve but I have the Sync system working and the basic system can replace a GPS course plot and traffic alert plus it calls 911 automatically (When I get my phone updated with minutes). I'm using a basic prepaid plan. Tracfone w376g and BT 2080 earpiece that have connected fine.
Avg MPG is at 26.8 after 220 miles
 

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jonas1022 said:
I think the drive by wire is correct, starting with the 08 model. But wouldn't swear to it. A reflash of the processor by a speed shop will loose the throttle delay. I think that done for smoother operation of the vehicle.
Just to confirm, I did some research on the drive by wire and found that cars.com does list it in their online expert review and Ford lists in one of their news releases. Ford calls it "ETC".

"Under the Hood
The new self-parking system handles all the steering required for parallel parking. The driver must still shift the transmission into gear, as well as operate the gas and brake pedals. The driver can also override the system and steer the car if needed.
171-horsepower, 2.5-liter four-cylinder (171 pounds-feet of torque)
240-hp, 3.0-liter V-6 (223 pounds-feet of torque)
Available six-speed automatic transmission
Available five-speed manual
Drive-by-wire throttle control"

cars review:
http://www.cars.com/go/crp/research.jsp ... on=reviews

Ford specs page:
"The powertrain also incorporates electronic throttle control (ETC). This technology replaces the manual linkage between
accelerator and throttle with a control unit that calculates the optimal throttle position from a number
of sensors. ETC is a form of the state-of-the-art, drive-by-wire technology."

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://medi ... GOd7HSDM8g
 
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