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What's wrong with our current cop cars?
 

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It's the same size as a Charger, which is so small that it seems like the majority of officers who can get over its looks hate it. Many forces here have tried the Charger only to go back to the Crown Vic. The rear impact protection is a selling point for me, but the wheels are a deal-breaker. 18" wheels? Really? For a car that sees so much road time, a new set of tires should not cost $1200. Anything over 16" is unnecessary; upgrade brakes with metallic pads and slotted discs instead of increasing rotor size.

A nice feature, since this is a purpose-built cruiser, would be to have a seat occupancy sensor in the driver seat that is hooked up to the transmission. When it detects that the driver has left the vehicle, Park should automatically be engaged. Too many cases where an officer is overwhelmed and forgets to put it in Park when exiting the vehicle.
 

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Squishy said:
It's the same size as a Charger, which is so small that it seems like the majority of officers who can get over its looks hate it. Many forces here have tried the Charger only to go back to the Crown Vic. The rear impact protection is a selling point for me, but the wheels are a deal-breaker. 18" wheels? Really? For a car that sees so much road time, a new set of tires should not cost $1200. Anything over 16" is unnecessary; upgrade brakes with metallic pads and slotted discs instead of increasing rotor size.

A nice feature, since this is a purpose-built cruiser, would be to have a seat occupancy sensor in the driver seat that is hooked up to the transmission. When it detects that the driver has left the vehicle, Park should automatically be engaged. Too many cases where an officer is overwhelmed and forgets to put it in Park when exiting the vehicle.
Most Chargers have a higher mortality rate than the Crown Vics too. The Impala isn't anywhere near as sturdy as the CV or the Charger. That brings us back to the CV, which Ford has decided to build until 2012. The Police are in a real corner on this. BTW, the Magnum (sort of a station wagon) which preceeded the Charger into Police duty has been discontinued.

$1200 for 4 donuts!!!!!!!!! Loose the 18" wheels!
 

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Squishy said:
It's the same size as a Charger, which is so small that it seems like the majority of officers who can get over its looks hate it. Many forces here have tried the Charger only to go back to the Crown Vic. The rear impact protection is a selling point for me, but the wheels are a deal-breaker. 18" wheels? Really? For a car that sees so much road time, a new set of tires should not cost $1200. Anything over 16" is unnecessary; upgrade brakes with metallic pads and slotted discs instead of increasing rotor size.

A nice feature, since this is a purpose-built cruiser, would be to have a seat occupancy sensor in the driver seat that is hooked up to the transmission. When it detects that the driver has left the vehicle, Park should automatically be engaged. Too many cases where an officer is overwhelmed and forgets to put it in Park when exiting the vehicle.
Most Chargers have a higher mortality rate than the Crown Vics too. The Impala isn't anywhere near as sturdy as the CV or the Charger. That brings us back to the CV, which Ford has decided to build until 2012. The Police are in a real corner on this. BTW, the Magnum (sort of a station wagon) which preceeded the Charger into Police duty has been discontinued.

$1200 for 4 donuts!!!!!!!!! Loose the 18" wheels!
Squishy, where did you get the $1200 for 18" wheel figure from? I need to do a school paper pretty soon, and I might do it on this vehicle. That statistic might give me some fire power!
 

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At the time of the post it was just an educated guess. After doing some research, 245/50R18 tires seem to be pretty rare. In fact, on the Canadian Tire website, you have to go to "Performance Tires - Special Order" before you can find this size (and only for one model of tire). No all-seasons, special order or not. Those are the Michelin Pilot Primacy tires at $357.99 each.

And good luck finding winter tires. Canadian Tire's website lists only the Michelin Pilot Alpin PA2 for $351.99 each.

Prices are much more reasonable in the States, but 18" tires still carry a huge premium over 15" and 16" tires. TireRack lists a winter tire in that size for only $188 USD each, but if you go to 1010tires and list it in Canadian funds, the price of that same tire is $315.99.

Larger forces may have contracts with a supplier that can give them large discounts, but availability is still a big issue. There are only a handful of models that are made in this size.

Edit: After figuring out how to get US funds to show up at 1010tires, those winter tires are listed for $259.99 USD each.
 

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Still, you get to pay for the tire and the mounting. And tire mortality on a cop car is fairly high.

15" is an affordably priced tire, but the taller wheels of 16,17 or even 18" provide more brake disk clearance, more room to have larger disks and supposedly more fade resistance as a result in high performance enviorments. Like pursuit. :roll:

I beleive that police departments need to rethink their automotive purchases. How many of their cars are actually in a pursuit enviorment in these times? Several departments have abolished or prohibited high speed pursuit. So why all the hot rod squad cars? :shrug:
 

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You can get adequate brake performance through brake pad material and slotted discs that reduce glazing. A high-performance semi-metallic will squeal and dust, but is that really a big issue for a cruiser? An extra $100 for a set of performance pads every 50,000 km is still better than an extra $800 for a set of performance 18" tires every 80,000 km. Not to mention the rural forces that have to deal with high speed driving on rutted dirt roads - a performance street tire is far from ideal.
 

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GM should bring back the late 80s Caprice Classic. Mean-looking car with proper bumpers. Drop in the Camaro V8 with AFM and you have a great pursuit-ready vehicle. Even the Camaro V6 with 300 HP is good enough for forces without a highway patrol. Just put in some crumple zones in the rear.
 

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Squishy said:
You can get adequate brake performance through brake pad material and slotted discs that reduce glazing. A high-performance semi-metallic will squeal and dust, but is that really a big issue for a cruiser? An extra $100 for a set of performance pads every 50,000 km is still better than an extra $800 for a set of performance 18" tires every 80,000 km. Not to mention the rural forces that have to deal with high speed driving on rutted dirt roads - a performance street tire is far from ideal.
All of that is true. I can not imagine driving a cop car in the boonies on low profile performance tires. It would be precarious at best. I suppose that is why the Texas DPS uses trucks for most rural areas, and CV on non-urban highways. Tall tires...usually more narrow than the low profile treads offered on todays cars. ;)
 
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