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HEY now! :lol:

That's what he gets for trying to over take 3.8 liters of Detroit iron.

Sure glad he's OK though. He was probably on his way back from one of the Indian casinos out there. Bet that's a gamble he didn't count on the way home.

And WOW! Talk about BAD timing for Toyota...
 

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Gambling with a barcalounger is a guaranteed way to lose.

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Kinda makes you want to go out and buy a Prius!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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It's only fitting:

Toyota - moving forward
:lol: Ouch!
 

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:lol: Mind if I add a caption?

 

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He says he was told his car was not on Toyota's recall list either. I don't know what to think anymore.

 

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I'm thinking that I'm glad I bought another Escape.

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You'll forgive me if I have mixed feelings about Toyota bashing.

It took them 50 years to build a reputation as makers of the most reliable automobiles in the world, and two months to tear it all to pieces. To hear the internet joke fodder, I feel like we're living in the 1980s all over again...
 

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I don't dislike Toyota as much as I dislike some Toyota forums (we had a Camry ourselves and replaced it with our Fusion).

One forum regularly posted a Ford logo, and proclaimed that "at least they circled the problem."

Did they forget something?



When you live in a glass house, well...
 

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You'll forgive me if I have mixed feelings about Toyota bashing.

It took them 50 years to build a reputation as makers of the most reliable automobiles in the world, and two months to tear it all to pieces. To hear the internet joke fodder, I feel like we're living in the 1980s all over again...
I can see from your sig that this might hit home a bit, sorry. It is easier to tear down a brand than build one up. I have family members whom I love, and friends whom I adore who drive these cars in question and pray they will be spared the 1 in a million chance that something will go wrong.

This is a Ford Escape forum after all and maybe we're releasing a little steam that's been pent up and circling the wagons around our brand. A brand that has some great products and more coming down the pipeline.
 

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It's only the last what, 8 years or so of products that are having this problem. However, it's a very very serious problem, personally I'm suprised they can't seem to get a handle on it but the media eats it up. I'm sure there are some cultural miscommunications making this worse than it needs to be but still, Toyota is taking a beating. The fact that it keeps happening, it's just going to get uglier.

And whatever company came up with their new slogan needs to be given a Prius free of charge. Sorry, I couldn't help that :doh:
 

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futameca said:
the2belo said:
You'll forgive me if I have mixed feelings about Toyota bashing.

It took them 50 years to build a reputation as makers of the most reliable automobiles in the world, and two months to tear it all to pieces. To hear the internet joke fodder, I feel like we're living in the 1980s all over again...
I can see from your sig that this might hit home a bit, sorry. It is easier to tear down a brand than build one up. I have family members whom I love, and friends whom I adore who drive these cars in question and pray they will be spared the 1 in a million chance that something will go wrong.

This is a Ford Escape forum after all and maybe we're releasing a little steam that's been pent up and circling the wagons around our brand. A brand that has some great products and more coming down the pipeline.
My parents have a 02 Tundra, runs great, has loads of power, it tows the camper like it's not even back there. My best friend drives a RAV4, I've rode and even test driven it around, it seems like a solid vehicle although I think it looks sissy. In short I'm not a hater of Toyota vehicles. I've been around them and think they are good quality as long as they aren't new.

I like to see Toyota teased because it will teach them a very expensive lesson. Get marketing and the cost cutters out of the Engineering office. Doesn't matter how good their vehicles used to be, what hurts them is how good they are now. If I've read and heard correctly, they raised the bar back in their heyday, and forced Ford and GM to do the same, now it's Ford showing everyone up. But if not for Toyota the other car makers may have continued to make shoddy vehicles.

Toyota will recover I believe, but it goes to show if you use cheap parts you get a cheap car, no matter what's on the price tag at the dealer. What I would like to know is if you compared the cost saved by using lower grade parts and less money on testing and engineering, to what this is going to cost them in PR, lawsuits, and reputation, which path would have been better. Maintain high quality at a lower profit margin, or just pay up when the fit hits the shan. :fan:
 

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I am so glad we picked the Escape over the RAV4 when car shopping. Toyota forgot what made them great. They used to be THE standard along with Honda. Ford and GM finally figured out they cannot keep selling average to below average cars and expect to stay in business...they needed to step it up and they have, both are making some of the best vehicles in their history. (Chrysler is a lost cause, they are still producing crap and will never learn.) Toyota got cocky and forgot why people purchased a Toyota, and it is costing them dearly right now. I never hated Toyota, but I will be damned if I will ever buy one because of all this nonsense going on right now.
 

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The reality of the situation is that all the mfgrs. are producing increasingly complex vehicles. I don't blame them totally. We demand better, and better every year. The government (us) wants the vehicles to have better safety, better emissions, and better mileage with each iteration of what is produced. Mistakes will be made.

It's not just Toyota, it's all of them. Even Ford. I can not get away from the Ford Explorer/Firestone tire fiasco. The real issue wasn't the tires. It wasn't the sport utility. It was owner indifference to the tire pressure. Low pressures produce blow outs. Other cars/trucks had higher incidences of blow out and roll over than the Ford/Firestone combo. Yet "We" ignored them.

I can not help but wonder what will be the final outcome of the Toyota problem. Is it some Firmware installed by Toyota? Or an American supplier (the controller is made in Michigan), and that supplier also makes the parts for the GM, Chrysler and other auto manufacturers. Interesting to note, that the same or similar part in the GM cars has a lower rate of Unintended Acceleration than just about any car built. I am taking a sit and watch position on this. Toyota isn't one to make nice with screwups, no matter what their public mouthpiece says. It'll be the results that count the most.
 
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