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I recently ordered a double din Pioneer FH-P8000BT to put in a 2003 limited edition. I think I am also going to upgrade the stock sub/amp unit in the back right panel. On the 2003, its a 6.5" sub and I don't know what the specs are on the amp or sub. I want to replace the sub with this:

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_2060CVT654 ... tml?tp=111

And the amp with this:

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_575R2501/R ... l?tp=35834

This is all going to go in the back right panel of the car. This is the 6.5" setup seen here:

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9688/img0048xr.jpg

and is not the same as the 2005- and up model escapes.

Any comments about this planned install would be much appreciated. Also, can anyone suggest a cheap wiring kit for the amp install?
 

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You can do a LOT more with the same amount of scratch, so think before buying.

The 6.5" sub is going to pretty "meh" compared to what you could do with a simple box in the trunk. Ported 6.5, 8, 10, 12..you name it.

The amp (while good) is $150, which is quite a bit for a tiny mono amp. You could probably find a quality 4ch and do what I have said 100 times on this forum,...and that is power those fronts, and the sub all with the 4ch amp.

All told, if given a meager $400 budget including wiring, I think you can have it all (this does not include the stuff you already have installed!)
 

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I simply can't put a box in because I use all the truck space in the back of my car a lot.

As for the sub, I found the sub elsewhere for $47 shipped, and the amp I think I can get for ~$100 shipped but I would like to find something cheaper.

The thing I am unsure of is, if an amp says 800W on it, is there anyway to turn this down on the amp or do I have to find an amp with a 150W output?
 

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So I am set on buying the following:

http://www.millionbuy.com/kik10cvt654.html

http://www.millionbuy.com/hitkit8a.html

http://www.millionbuy.com/kenkac6104d.html

After a 7% coupon and free shipping it comes to $162 total. The only thing I am hesitant on is the 8 guage wire. I was trying to use the wire calculator at http://www.bcae1.com/ but I am a bit confused about what values to use. The amp says it has a max power of 600W, however its continuous RMS is 300W. So to be on the safe side we need to protect against a 600W draw. The part that confuses me is isn't this the output of the amplifier? How do we know what the input power is to the amp and shouldn't we use that to calculate the wire guage size?
 

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8 gauge is ok for a modest amp but I wouldn't buy junk wire. I would recommend either Darvex or Knukonceptz.

Also that amp will be around 200W, because you are running a 4ohm sub. Again, I urge you to invest in a 4ch amp here, because you will get the sub powered AND those fronts. Price? Probably close to the same.

But you're cooking pretty good now. Millionbuy is nice, so is sonicelectronics, woofersetc, and audio-warehouse.com.

Might I suggest:

http://www.millionbuy.com/kekase4720wa.html which is 180W bridged, and still has two more channels for your fronts.

or, pony up for this, which I have personally installed in another system and it was phenomenal.
http://cgi.ebay.com/SoundStream-DTR4-50 ... 19b9db3a12

That's 80W x 4, bridging to 250W at 4ohms!
BTW buy from these guys and even though its CHEAP, it is Squaretrade warranty-able which I would do since it is so cheap.

Witt a more potent amp, you should run 4 gauge
http://www.knukonceptz.com/productDetai ... =KOL-AK4-4

Also consider that a lot of guys run a 8" sub in that stock box. A lot of people like it that way, and I'd agree that if you aren't going to make a proper box then consider running 8". The Kicker sub is good, but there are better for the same price. Depth becomes an issue which I don't know how deep you can go in your box there, but with some measurements I could help further.
 

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I'd like to dish out more for the amps sub and wire but not until I can get a job =D.

The 2003 has a different setup in the back panel than the 05-up models, so putting an 8" would be quite a bit bigger project wouldn't it? I know it won't fit in the hole that's there now(thats what she said) so is that what youre suggesting I do?
 

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Seems like enough plastic around the 6.5" sub's opening to fit an 8, no problem. Need a small baffle made out of mdf, and that looks to be it.

BTW that SS amp I showed you is ~$157 delivered. And the wire (which is cheap compared to alternatives) is something you need to invest in either way.

Do it once, do it right.
 

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I've got an '03 Escape too, and recently noticed that my factory amp is pretty much a death's door. I also wanted to replace my factory sub and amp and place into my factory location too. I found that JL audio and MTX audio make awesome stealth boxes that fit on the otherside where the pocket is. here is what I'm running. http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_stea ... it_id=1621 and http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_amps.php?amp_id=577 Yea I know the amp is a little $$ but for it's size and the box It works perfectly. Bonus is you won't lose your cargo space
 

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NOTAHNDA204 said:
I've got an '03 Escape too, and recently noticed that my factory amp is pretty much a death's door. I also wanted to replace my factory sub and amp and place into my factory location too. I found that JL audio and MTX audio make awesome stealth boxes that fit on the otherside where the pocket is. here is what I'm running. http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_stea ... it_id=1621 and http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_amps.php?amp_id=577 Yea I know the amp is a little $$ but for it's size and the box It works perfectly. Bonus is you won't lose your cargo space
Solid products, no doubt.
 

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I'm in the same boat as you with an 04 limited. I was going to try to fit something in the stock location, but I also dont want to short myself on bass. I'm removing the whole stock sub, and mounting the amp in that location. For the money ($140 new) I'm getting an alpine mrp-500. Definitely don't skimp on wiring now, because you'll have to do it all over again later.
 

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@ wklose99

definitely go for the 4 channel amp and power your fronts. i have a 2010 limited and i replaced the factory sub and amp with a 8" kicker cvt and a kicker zx350.4 amp. at first i only hooked up the sub and ran it for a week because i was waiting on speaker wire. the sub hits way harder and sounds good but it was still missing all the very important highs. the door speakers in the escapes are complete junk, especially powered off of the factory head unit. i replaced the fronts with alpine 5x7's and powered them off my amp. the difference was amazing. so much louder and crisp.

i am also replacing the back door 5x7s. i rode in the back the other night and there is a huge difference.

just thought i would let you know since i considered just replacing the sub and amp as well. you will have a far superior system by replacing the the fronts. like fourhtmeal said, do it right the first time and you wont regret it.
 
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