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2010 2.5 Crank but no start?

3.9K views 4 replies 3 participants last post by  tomw  
#1 ·
This is a problem that keeps getting worse. Some is unrelated i am sure, but read through it all just to be sure.

2 weeks ago, CEL came on. Instantly i noticed even after 20 minutes of driving the Temp read dead cold. Little Google Fu brought me to a TSB about the cylinder head temp sensor and corrosion.

Thought no big deal, ordered the part, it came in. just swapped it out last night. as i was working on it, My wife (primary driver of the escape) mentioned that the other morning it was hard to start, had a rough idle when it did but did clear up, ran fine for the rest of the day. Figured i'd give it a once over to see if i saw anything.

Sure enough, went to fire it up and had a long crank time. Fired up like it was only running on 3 cylinders and was idling high , about 1500 RPM. Misfire did not go away with RPM. While idling i pulled some coil wires and each one seemed to make a difference so i was unable to narrow it down to a single cylinder and possibly a bad coil pack. Did notice a bit of oil smoke on startup from the exhaust.

Pulled the coil packs to find cylinder #4 plug swimming in oil. Pulled all plugs, cleaned up all wells where they reside of any oil. Replaced plugs and now the car will not start at all. Will give a slight hit near the end of the cranking cycle usually as if it is trying to start but will not fire over.

i did check spark and it is getting a good strong spark on cylinder 4 at least, did not check the rest after positive results on #4.

Have not been able to pull codes as my OBDII reader is in another vehicle at this point. plan on retrieving it tomorrow to check codes.

Google did not lead me to any promising results. Hoping someone on here has had a crank but no start issue. Not sure if CPS is a failure point on these, or what else to look at. Thanks for any help
 
#2 ·
Update. Pulled codes, got nothing like i expected. PO128 for coolant temp sensor. I knew this one.

rest were coil pack codes, (P0351-P0354) I had the coils unplugged, ans cranked with them unplugged clearing the cylinders of excess oil and fuel.

Two body codes B1318 and B1676, both low battery codes from running the battery down while cranking.

No codes to lead to my issue, all above are codes i expected.

The car did start today, still running very rough. once i shut it off however, it would not restart.

May drain fuel and see if i by chance go bad gas, but it has been a few days prior to the issue when it was last filled up, i would have expected bad gas to be nearly immediate issue but worth a shot. Fuel pump is only a couple months old BTW, and no port on the rail to verify pressure.

Any suggestions?
 
#3 ·
I'm sure this won't be of much help but I put an Airtex pump in my 04, and it only lasted a few months. Then it was hard starting after a hot soak, down on power a bit and lean codes. It never ran rough, but this is a V6.

Did you clean and/or inspect the coil boots for arcing? If there was oil in the wells, it needs a new valve cover gasket but for the short term good (non arcing) boots will work.

John
 
#5 ·
If the boots got the oil dip treatment, it is likely they are allowing arcing when installed. How old are the plugs? Is the gap wide, or did you check? The FoMoCo 'suggested' interval is ~100k miles for plugs, but that is stretching it. I'd bet plugs with ~70k are out of spec as far as gap. Add a wide gap, and lubed boots, and you may just be having arcing all occurring in the well. You'd likely not be able to see it.
Were I doing the job, I'd replace the gaskets that allow oil into the plug wells, replace the plugs if they have miles on them, and replace the boots with new.
I would also check my work previously done. It is rare for a running engine to decide it's time for a break on its own. Generally, if it was running Tuesday, it will also run Wednesday, unless someone has replaced parts, and possibly nudged something loose or connected Tab A to slot B instead of slot A.... more or less. It is easy to move things around, and something that was hanging on by a thread, such as a chafed or flexed wire, can be 'opened' by moving it around. Look for areas where wires must flex as the engine moves and check for fatigue breaks in the conductor or chafed/worn insulation that may ground that which should not be grounded and vice versa.
tom