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Ever had a V6 oxygen sensor fail?

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#1 ·
I was going to get new upper oxygen sensors for my 04 3.0L just because it had 160K. When I spoke with my parts guy at Tousley Ford he said he has never sold one of those for the V6, they don't even carry them in stock. He said they last forever (not so much the 4 cyl) Since Tousley is one of, if not the largest Ford parts suppliers in the US he's probably right. Anyone have one fail, or are you just replacing them because it sounds like a good idea? And if it did fail at how many miles?

BTW - Tousley is a great place for OEM and Ford Racing parts. The price for these was $37/each (MSRP is $76). I still might replace them anyways at this price. http://www.tousleyfordparts.com/
 
#3 ·
O2 sensors have come a LONG way from just 10-15 years ago. These days, they manage to last the life of the vehicle with that usually being around 150k miles on average. It was just over 15 years ago when O2 sensors usually lasted about 90k miles, and started becoming inefficient at around 60k miles.

If your O2 sensors are running out of spec, but not enough to trigger a check engine light, it is possible that you could pick up a small gain in fuel economy. Of course it just depends on whether you want to spend that kind of time as changing out O2 sensors can really be a bitch.
 
#5 ·
Tousley and Roseville Midway are good parts dealerships. Roseville Midway is much closer for me though :)
 
#9 ·
Does anyone have a diagram of the all the sensors with the name like bank 1 or bank 2? I am about to replace mine. My bank 1 sensor 2 and Bank 2 sensor 1 are bad. I don't know which one is which on motor. By the way it 2003 v6 escape.
 
#10 ·
On the V6 engine, Bank 1 is the exhaust manifold closest to the firewall. Bank 2 is the exhaust manifold closest to the radiator. Sensor 1 is the sensor closest to the engine on the exhaust manifold. Sensor 2 is further downstream on the manifold. The good news is that Bank 1, Sensor 2 is easy to replace. Take you 5 minutes if that. The bad news is that Bank 2, Sensor 1 is a major PITA ... at least on my vehicle. I finally took it to a mechanic to get it replaced. The other two sensors are also pretty easy.
 
#11 ·
O2's going bad in the days of non heated were very common and also still in Dodge products because they run so pig rich. But not so much on Ford or Chevy products.

That's not to say they don't go bad but that is more due to an other problem like burning oil or poor or weak ignition.
 
#12 ·
Never had one go, but had one that was lazy as they call it. It ended up being the wiring for the heater circuit of 02 sesnor that was corroded so bad it wouldn't heat it up fast enough so i just had it replaced.

.So check the wiring connections to the 02 sesnor.
 
#13 ·
Thanks for the info. Well I did replace those sensors. Yes Bank 1 sensor was easy as pie. Bank 2 sensor 1 was a PITA!. I was able to get it. The hardest part was getting a wrench on it to tighten or loosen. I was thinking the same thing about taking it to a mechanic but I really didn't want to. So I stepped back and thought for a minute then I jumped back in and got it. Now time will only tell if it worked. I was getting like 12-15 miles per gallon. I used to get 21-25 so hopefully it fixes it. Once again thank you for the help of info!
 
#14 ·
TheFixer253 said:
On the V6 engine, Bank 1 is the exhaust manifold closest to the firewall. Bank 2 is the exhaust manifold closest to the radiator. Sensor 1 is the sensor closest to the engine on the exhaust manifold. Sensor 2 is further downstream on the manifold. The good news is that Bank 1, Sensor 2 is easy to replace. Take you 5 minutes if that. The bad news is that Bank 2, Sensor 1 is a major PITA ... at least on my vehicle. I finally took it to a mechanic to get it replaced. The other two sensors are also pretty easy.
Downstream sensors (sensor 2) seldom fail. That sensor is know as the cat monitor. If the oxygen readings a out of spec, it is an indication that the cat is not efficient.

Let me explain. A properly functioning upstream oxygen sensor is constantly switching, reading from rich to lean rapidly, as the exhaust pulses from the exhaust valves pass through. The downstream sensor, reading oxygen after the cat, is buffered by the cat, so it switches very slow if at all. The cat monitor in the PCM recognizes a problem if the downstream switching rate too closely matches the upstream switching rate. The cat monitor does not run constantly. It only runs when certain other monitors have run and other conditions have been met, such as a certain drive length time and returning to idle.

Besides a lazy cat, this can also be from a lazy upstream sensor, so sometimes a cat efficiency code can be cured with a fresh upstream sensor.

Before ending, I should mention that a downstream sensor can be bad because its heater circuit is messed up, but that is a different code from the cat efficiency code.

One last thing, the bank 1 (rear) upstream sensor is very difficult to access. There is an oxygen sensor tool that sort of looks like a partial socket crowfoot that is attached to its handle with a flex joint that makes access much easier and is worth every penny. With that tool, access is from the bottom. Attempting to access the sensor with a conventional oxygen sensor socket is usually from above. Some have had success with a short combination wrench from below, but it is a fight. The other three are reasonably easy.